That is the most stupidist thing i have ever heard. The Armenian Genocide was very real and that is why today, you hardly hear of it. All that the world has to hide is not spoken about, but if the Holocaust of Jews was real, then how could this not be real. Your a crazy person if you could ever think anything different!!

The reason they try to convince you, is because of their nationalism, this is not a negative trait, it's just the way they were raised and they are proud of working together with other Armenians to convince the world of their genocide. This is how the Armenian Revolutionary Federation saves its face, otherwise they would have to finally admit after 94 years, that they indeed lost World War I to the Central Power, Ottoman forces. They would have to admit that the Allies really did betray them and left them without reinforcements and all their efforts to sabotage the Ottoman war effort would be gone. The Russian and British promise of a Greater Armenia was broken, they were left with a tiny country and they had no economy and many refugees that were starving in their land-locked nation.

Due to human nature, they had to find someone to blame. They tried to blame the Russians and the rest of the Allies, but it didn't help, no one listened, no one cared. However, when the ARF decided to blame the Ottoman Turks, enemies of the Turks, joined in the blame game, because they all had grudges against the Turks. The British had lost 2 significant battles to the Turks, and they lost the Turkish Independence war, giving the new nation Turkey its own land. The Greeks had lost all of Western Anatolia to the Turks during this war. The French lost all of South-Eastern Anatolia to the Turks. The Russians were creating the Soviet Empire and they were no longer interested in Anatolia, but they too felt betrayed by the Turks who accepted their gifts of weapons but did not convert to communism. Although the Allies had won World War I, in the Turkish independence war, they had lost, and they did not like the Turks.

The Armenian Genocide concept, started after this Turkish independence war. It didn't gain traction until the 1950s and 1960s through widespread propaganda by Armenian communities around the world. This is why the founder of Turkey, Ataturk, has never made any comments about the Armenian Genocide or the accusation of any genocide, because such accusations did not exist when he was alive.

Two Armenians in different times tried to convince me of the genocide. One of them, talked about how his grandmother's husband and children were killed. However, said that she was forced to walk all the way to Syria. As a skeptic, I asked why anyone would kill a family, and then let one of them escape scratch free to Syria, which he could not answer (the reason being, the story was fabricated). When I asked him why then there is no evidence that Talat Pasha, one of the leaders of the Ottoman Empire, had no telegrams ordering genocide, he replied "Why would Talat Pasha leave evidence of his own crimes?"

Another Armenian, tried to convince me by telling me how Talat Pasha wrote a "Black Book" (funny), detailing how he committed the genocide and references "Ottoman documents, not allowed to be seen in the Ottoman Archives today." That was funny because the previous Armenian was telling me Talat Pasha left no evidence of his crime and now he's written a whole black book detailing his crimes, very interesting, very improbable.

When I asked where I can have a copy of this black book, he could not produce it, said that it was sold in various places in different countries. Later, I found out, that he apparently, learned about this black book from some Armenian forum. Again, rumors.

This was similar to the one time where I read a Reader's Digest article hilariously entitled "Why I hate the Turks" -- The Armenian that wrote it, discussed how this very old Armenian described a story of how, he and his family and all of his fellow villagers were trapped in a church, and the "evil Turks" used wood to cover up the windows, and then poured kerosene everywhere and lit the church on fire. He told about how he cried with his family and told them they'd be together again in heaven. Then the story cut off--- huh?? -- How did he escape then? Apparently, that miraculous detail was classified. My suspicion is that he was an ARF member who was the one burning Muslim families in a Mosque, and just twisted the story and made himself the victim, I have no proof, but then again, he doesn't have any proof of his story either.

The writer wrote another story about when this old Armenian man, was only 13, "Turkish and Kurdish marauders" came and attacked his village on horseback. I said "Interesting, never knew Turks and Kurds ever worked together" (because they never did, it was more likely they were all Kurdish, but alas, they always want to put the blame on Turks rather than the real killers). The attackers apparently, killed many villagers, and stabbed the boy with a bayonet and then "stole his clothes" (a grown man stole a child's clothes, very interesting). Wait wait, I missed something, a 13 year old boy was stabbed with a bayonet back in 1915, and somehow survived such a wound in a time where there weren't even any hospitals in most villages? Lies.

This is the problem. We need to apply our logic when listening to these eye-witness stories. Even an American Consul in 1915, once said that "These Orientals, they can't help but exaggerate every story" about the Kurds and Armenians.

These stories to Armenians, are a mission, a nationalistic goal, to convince everyone of a genocide, because they cannot admit the losses they suffered in World War I, were the fault of the ARF, a terrorist organization that sided with the Allies and killed, Armenians, Kurds, and Turks, alike who opposed them.

Hi there,

you write: "I'm sure many of you, no matter where you are from, have encountered Armenians who try to convince you of the genocide."

I'm a son of Turkish immigrants in Germany, born and raised there. I can assure you, I had no encounters with Armenians, except some Armenians living in Turkey (and they did not try to convince me of such things).

But: everyone else is trying to convince you that the Turks commited genocide, including well-meaning Germans. The Germans had their own dark years from 1933 to 1945. Their present practice of "having to deal" with those years is very unique and difficult to understand from a foreign perspective, and it is psychologically and sociologically more consequently enforced upon German society than, say, the Original Sin concept in catholic church. Mass Media, Politics etc, have to watch trice their steps in order not get in serious trouble of being "anti-semitic". This unseen pressure and some double-thinking elements produce/feed groups of people who either deny the holocaust or groups of people who proclaim that the Turks are "the next" (sometimes the same people switch between these two positions, depending on their emotional state and whom they talk to, or what the specific subject was).

But I don't want to write about neo-nazis for now (there are even "neue neo-nazis"). I just want to shed light on the reason why most of the politically active Germans are unable to look at the Armenian Debate from a different light. They almost blindly and automatically conclude, that this must have to do with denial. And any word leaving your mouth in defense of Turkish history is interpreted so far away from what you are trying to say, that any rational discussion is like dreaming of Utopia. For example, if you should use the word "Relocation"... you will be stopped in middle of your sentence, since every German knows what "relocation" meant to the Jews in Nazi Germany. And then the rest of the time will wasted to emotional bla bla or how cruel I am, since I speak about "relocation" as if it had been something like going to a picnic with friends (huh?).

By the way, that certain past of Germany which is from another perspective also the past of France, explains very well, why "denying Armenian Genocide" will get you in prison in one European country (not in Germany, yet). It is always looked through the filters of the holocaust. "Meinungsfreiheit" (freedom of opinion/speech) is not going to be allowed to be abused along these lines.

Thank you mate.The "number" also dramatically increased up to 1.5 million.

i was born in 1988 in Azerbaijan. when i grow up i didnt see any armenins. besides half armenian people (mother armeni, father other nation). i can say only 1 thing. my grandparents are refugees. they lived at the Goyche Lake (sevan). but in 1988 armeninans banished azeris from their own houses. but it wasnt enough for them. they began war to us on 18.02.1992 they attack to Khojavend (Xocavend) and attack finished on 25.10.1993 occupation Zengilan region. 1 billion people are refugee, more than 1 00 thousand people have been killed and lost. kids, women, old people.........

now tell me who made GENOCIDE ?

armenian genocide lie ,genocide against turks in karabakh
www.karabag.blogsky.com
www.khojaly.net

Just because one genocide is real doesn't automatically make every other genocide real.

If we let Armenians call the war (where Armenians sided with the Russians) and rebellion (where Armenians attacked the empire they live in) in 1915 a genocide, then we might as well call every war a genocide because civilians die in many wars from various disease, bandits, collateral damage, starvation, exhaustion, etc.

What made you write about this subject? Who gives you the right to write about the Armenian Genocide?
Yourself, being an American, who also sees as you mentioned "everything as being black and white", you'd never understand what the Armenian people suffered for six centuries under the turks (mongols from the far east who conquered the Armenian, who lived in Armenia for 3000 years). You only show part of the story in your blog. You don't mention the fact that the Armenians were heavily taxed by the turks and Kurds on their own lands. You don't mention that turks used to come in and take whatever they wanted from they wanted from the villagers, be it livestock, harvest, women etc... You didn't mention the rape and killings and pogroms even before 1915. You didn't mention the fact that the turks disarmed the whole Armenian population in preparation of the Genocide. Please do some more research and search your soul. You have been a comfortable American all of your life. You probably watch CNN and are easily influenced by what you see and hear and you believe that what is certainly biased, is true.
Wouldn't you resist this evil repression and maybe side with a greater power such as the Russians in order to take back your homeland? President Wilson promised an Armenian homeland but this was disregarded by the powerful nations of that time. Wouldn't you be sick after six centuries? Thus, do you think that it was a difficult decision by the bloodthirsty turks to decide and exterminate these "troublesome" Armenians once and for all?
Ask yourself these question first before you see things as white or black.

Hello,

First of all thanks for your efforts to tell the truth.
I am studying history myself in the University of Vienna and I'm searching for documents about this issue. Where can I find these documents?
It's very hard to find reputable archival documents and avoid fake ones.
Can you post it here? Thanks dude!